Author of Growing Consciousness, Leo Carver (Dwarn L. Carver, Jr.), has been teaching meditation, yoga, ayurveda, natural herbalism, and other holistic wellness techniques for the past decade. He graduated from The Chopra Center (Dr. Deepak Chopra’s Wellness Education Center) with a certification in Ayurveda and works closely with his wife, keynote Chopra Center speaker Dr. Melissa Carver. Leo is one of the coauthors of Your Roadmap to Purpose, Desire, and Destiny with Karson McGinley, Melissa Eisler, Michelle S. Fondin, and Tris Thorp.
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John: Welcome to another edition of the Impact Podcast. And this is a very special edition. We have got Leo Carver with us. He’s the author of this new wonderful book, “Growing Consciousness.” Welcome to Impact Leo.
Leo Carver: Yes, thank you for having me.
John: Listen, Leo. I’m in Fresno, California today, which is part of the ACT belt of the United States now and the ACT Center and you’re in beautiful, Kentucky.
Leo: Yes, sir.
John: Which is one of my favorite States in our whole beautiful nation. So I wish I was with you in Kentucky in person today. I going to tell you that I thought I do wish but I’m… Leo, before we get talking about this wonderful book. It is our listeners and viewers can see I have read it, I loved it. I have marked it up pretty good, I like to do with books. Talk a little bit about your journey. Where did you grow up? And where did you get educated? And how do you even… how did this whole thing unfold for you before you even got to the point of writing this great book?
Leo: Oh, good question. Thank you. Well, my journey has kind of been interesting what I would say if I could say so myself. Just because I grew up as a military army brat. Well, both my parents were soldiers and army and retired from the Army did full 20 plus years. So, I saluted those that serve and I’m always in tune with that community for that reason. And so, anyway is growing up as an army brat up until about the age of 10, I grew up in Germany. And so that was kind of a difference for me to wear, coming. It gave me a different vantage point on America and a lot of things that, I was introduced to. Growing up but I didn’t really face it until I was here at, nine or ten years old. I mentioned that I just say that a lot of… what allowed me to explore other avenues and open my mind was that travel. That exposure to other cultures early on.
Leo: And then, growing up I always wanted to go into the medical field and I just didn’t have the drive to really go strictly with allopathic medicine. It didn’t catch me that way. But then somewhere along the way, when I was in college, I went to Kentucky State University. Here, one is nation’s first HBCUs is actually here in Kentucky. A lot of people don’t know that. That’s where I graduated from. I went there and graduated with a psychology degree. Just because I have always been… even from a young I was always a spiritual person per se. If you want to use that term. I have always been into the ways of Consciousness and understanding the mind. And as far as the academic what’s out there, that was the closest vein with psychology or something in that field of philosophy. Anyway, after graduating shortly, after that I was diagnosed with Crohn’s disease. That put a halt to a lot of things for me, and it made me have really pause and look at my health. It’s not that I was the least healthy person in the world, but I did have some habits that were not conducive to a good regimen and healthy life. And know what I know now is horrible. [laugh] [crosstalk] I was able to change-
John: Right. Living yourself the best chance.
Leo: That’s right. That’s right. While battling through that and it took them years as many people with irritable bowel diseases and autoimmune issues with probably attest to. It took them a long time to actually figure out what the problem was. And so while I was going through that, my wife was already started her journey as a teacher, and we went to this, it was our first show preview[?]. I want to say, was the “Seduction of spirit.” Yes. One of their signature events. I was just blown away because wow, this particular program was not focused on, are you evading in particular? It was mentioned and it just kind of piqued my interest. It’s like, oh, you know what, I’m trying to take a look at my diet. Anyway, I’m learning about all these different herbal medicines and alternative therapies, and it just kind of caught me. And then we went on that track and I went through their program near … graduated from their program and went on to write for their blog and things for a while and continue to collaborate with them. Along the way of this, just to get us to the point of where we are now with this book, right? So as I was studying this information that comes from teachers. Like Dr. Deepak Chopra and others that are involved in the center and really getting into a deeper meditation practice. And trying this stuff out, really putting it into practice and putting in the work. I was also simultaneously kind of spending more time hiking. Doing the things that I always enjoy because once again I grew up in Germany. Very similar to Kentucky, there’s still so much land. It is like, you can go out there and it’s just beautiful. Very little traffic, open space, and that’s what I was used to seeing as a child. So I was starting to revisit that on my own wellness journey. At the same time, in part of that, especially in terms of learning how to grow my own herbs and food, those things are happening simultaneously. I just started writing about it more. When I would write for blogs, I would bring subjects up, about gardening and herbalism. From there, it just grew into this book,
John: Step back and unpack some of this. First of all, [crosstalk] when you move from Germany… yeah, that’s great though. When you move from Germany with your parents to the state, did you move directly to Kentucky and you grew up in Kentucky then?
Leo: No, no, and actually I have lived in Oklahoma, I have lived in Texas for a few years. I lived in California. There’s still a piece of California my heart always is, that was a very formative time in my life that I actually lived out in the desert. I was an admin[?] in the Mojave Barstow area.
Leo: But still I just… there’s so much about the state and that just that the land out there that I loved. Anyway, and then from there we moved to Kentucky. I have probably been here the longest and I flagged [inaudible] this where my wife and I met. We started our family here. So this is home, it has been [inaudible]. I have traveled a lot.
John: Just so we’re clear, your wife’s name is Dr. Melissa Carver. And you can find you and your wife at drmelissacarver.com?
Leo: Yes, sir.
John: Okay. So also, when you were growing up was your mom or dad, a gardener at the time? Did they enjoy… was there any gardening going on in the household at that time?
Leo: No. It is interesting because it’s one of my joys that I get out of this book and everything is watching my parents. Discover these things because one thing that I have noticed in speaking with a lot of people across the generations, especially the last… say three generations are so, is there though I will just speak on my own family, my grandparents they always maintained the garden. Farm and if you go back even generation of [inaudible]. They were sharecroppers and things and so. That is somewhere in my blood, but my parents kind of maybe in their own way rebelled against that.
Leo: You know what I mean?
John: I get it.
Leo: Let’s go out here and be successful and getting rat race on. I just didn’t have time for those things and we’re not trying[?] that way. I picked it back up somewhere intuitively and found my love for it. Now I get to teach them and watch them as they’re getting older kind of say, you know, what, there is something to that. I really enjoyed it.
John: That was so nice and it’s nice when the student becomes the teacher.
Leo: Yeah, always.
John: And then, you mentioned something that I want you to unpack for our listeners, you were at the Chopra Center for one of your first intensives and first… and you mentioned, Allopathic medicine, I assume you also learn meditation there. Talk about the allopathic side of it and what that really means, practically speaking.
Leo: Yes, okay. So that’s definitely a lot to unpack there. We’re talking about a 5000 year old science you know.
John: There you go.
Leo: A living science of that. A living science is still always evolving. But what I love about Ayurveda is that it’s just this ancient and very detailed and skillful science of herbalism. This is based on the five elements space, air, fire, water, and Earth. The idea of that each one of us is a microcosm of the macrocosm that is the universe. It goes back to the belief system that can be found in ancient Egyptian of the medic society. Where it’s the idea that as above so below. These things are kind of common in the lingo of the consciousness community and it’s the same truth being, conveyed there that… basically all these elements that you see in the world and the way they interact, they’re doing the same thing in your body to some degree in some ways that we can pinpoint. Using these theories of social theory, where it certain elements pair in different ways. You may have heard the terms of like “Vata Pitta Kapha.” They’re starting to become a little bit more common as Ayurveda is growing here in the West. Once you understand what your particular composition is, you can live with that awareness and make choices that ultimately bring greater health. Because we’re having the awareness of your own balance, your own constitution, how other things trying to really kind of figure out how to put it, but in a simple term, that the way things, the elements within you interact with the elements the world. If you’re aware of that, you can make choices based on that. Whether it’s your diet, even the clothes you wear in the colors, your full really a lifestyle in a sense that goes along with that understanding. There’s so much to it.
John: So you adopted that lifestyle. You and your wife adopted that lifestyle?
Leo: Yes, sir. And see, I’m kind of more… possibly because I was dealing with my condition and then applying a lot of these things directly. Let’s say, I have a deeper connection to that side of things. But yes, we both went through the training in that school. And I have just furthered my education in it.
John: Leo, I want to go onto the book in a second, but talk about, how in your journey has the meditation that you learned, but teach. Now, we will talk about that a little bit. And also your improved eating and lifestyle habits with that 5,000 years history to go with it. The science is real. How much is your condition improved because of the combination of spirituality and lifestyle changes that you’ve made during this wonderful Journey?
Leo: Oh, tremendously. Anytime that I see a client, or even when I’m just being asked about any kind of bowel issues, any kind of autoimmune issues, those two in particular. I say, this I have really hit something on the head here. I know that in one way or another, these methods will help anyone dealing with these [inaudible] [crosstalk] especially anything autoimmune because you’re essentially talking about a disconnect between your immune system and what’s going on in your body. Meditation has this unparalleled capability of getting those systems within you to sync up. It’s been studied at length at this point, and they’re still studies being conducted for those are for whatever reason are not believers yet. One of the things about meditation I feel is a misconception. A lot of people that I speak with especially working here in the Bible Belt, people have this idea that meditation is religious and it is some people. But you know what we teach in the way we were trained is to teach a for lack of better words, a secular version of that. A way that is accessible to anyone that whatever your spirituality is or, it fits is not in competition with anything. I enjoy being able to share that with people. Because when you see those barriers come down and you see that lightness come over their face. And you can just tell that the heart rate is slow. It’s amazing and in our day and age, most of us need some form of that. Some more than others, but I think it’s good for everyone to do, some form of it.
John: So, really Leo, I want to sum that up then. There’s hope, there’s more, it’s proven now. There’s more autoimmune disease on the rise. Whether it’s psoriasis, rheumatoid arthritis, Mass Crohn’s disease. This stuff is real and it’s growing. And in traditional medicines not having a lot of success with it, but I want our audience to see that with folks like you leading the charge, your generation taking the new application of ancient and historically proven scientific spirituality meditation. Our verdict eating and living ways people can improve, what they been told is a chronic and hopeless condition.
Leo: Oh, most definitely.
John: They can greatly improve it.
Leo: Yes, sir, yes they can. For me, I feel like… I believe there’s a balance. And if your condition is serious enough for depending on what the situation is, it may be necessary for you to follow the doctor’s instructions and take certain medications. [inaudible] [crosstalk] greatly reduce the amount of medications for sure. Especially with the dietary side of things and then what comes along with Ayurveda medicine. And then, the stress relief things we put ourselves through to try to handle stress. You are helping yourself out tremendously, no matter who you are. If you can lessen your inflammation inwardly and outwardly. And meditation is great for that.
John: Well, let’s get to your book. When did you decide? What was your aha moment Leo? But I going to take everything I’m doing now, when everything I have learned instead of just writing a blog, write a book, this book is called “The Growing Consciousness: The Gardener’s Guide to Seeding the soul.” You can find out on barnesandnoble.com, amazon.com, and other great books, selling websites and bookstores around the United States in the world. When did you dream this up and have that, I got to do this moment?
Leo: To be honest with you, kind of came to me, as I said, it was all very intuitive. I have to… I personally believe in the grand design and things. When I first started writing about it, I didn’t know that those subjects would be as popular as they ended up being. They would attract the attention that they did. And so, seeing that growing and connecting with others on that. Connecting with a wonderful publisher, Mandala, it just all came together. I’m thankful that it has. It’s timely, and I have gotten that feedback from a lot of people. I didn’t write this with that in mind. To me, it feels like a very ego thing to say, like, “Oh, I did this timely work.” But I didn’t think of it that way as I was doing it, but I realized seeing the impact they had like… no, there’s a lot of people who feel this way. It has struck a nerve with… I have been surprised. Even within my own family and friend circles, people who they have never talked about growing their own vegetables or, doing any of this stuff. Definitely have not talked about meditating in the garden or, having a relationship with the plants in their house. I reading this and they’re saying, “Oh, wow. No.” Or it’s really a cool thing when somebody comes to me and they say, “You know, I have always done that.” Maybe they just never realized that they are doing it, there’s a spiritual intention. It’s like, “You know, I have always talked to my plants, it’s kind of like my therapy.” And I was like, “Yeah.” There’s something to doing that with intention. That’s the kind of things that I point out.
John: You were really writing from the heart about your own experiences and what was really on your heart. But the truth be known as timeliness. Someone of it is people really needed to hear this and no one it merges in. I can sense a lot of books on interesting topics. I have never seen a book on gardening and spirituality and meditation altogether. It’s a fascinating merging of important topics.
Leo: Thank you. I wish I could take credit for that. There are others doing the work, but it is definitely a field that needs more attention for sure.
John: For our listeners that our viewers that read this great book. What do you want them to take away, like if you can sum up what you want, to take away to be from, Growing Consciousness. What do you want them to learn or take and work within the world after they put down the book?
Leo: That’s a great question. Because there’s so much, but I think ultimately I want people to walk away from this with a greater understanding and appreciation for life in general. There’s a focus on the garden and relationship with plants and plant life. But really it’s about finding that growth within yourself and understanding that through gardening. You are part literally, part of the life process of another being. You could put that in perspective, have we like in terms of this being a living creature, but it is. And you are in this relationship with it, where it’s producing something that’s going to feed you, and all the while you’re taking care of it. Just in general, I would like for people to look at those actions, as well as the overall relationship with nature. And see that there’s something deeper there. See that, although I don’t like the term, I’m a proud tree hugger, I don’t know that everybody doesn’t necessarily have to go to that extreme. Well, I feel about it, but we can deepen our appreciation as a whole as a species of this planet. And the things when we realize that, these same elements are within my life and within my body, they manifest in these ways. The way this happens to the weather on certain days affects me, and my inner world. Gaining a better understanding of our oneness with everything. Anyway, hopefully from that will grow into a deeper appreciation of our oneness for each other. But if we can start from something we… many people would like to do anyway. Just spend time out there. I guess, that to sum of it, I guess that’s my overall. I hope people who get from it is just an overall appreciation for life that you are part of that process. And that you can be a more active participant in it for yourself and for your family and those that you affect.
John: Before we talked about the merger of those two important topics. Let’s break it down and make it simple for our listeners and viewers who want to begin journeys in both. Let’s start with meditation. You teach meditation. If there’s listeners and viewers that have heard about it for a long time, and thought it was a little woohoo, but now realize maybe they need something extra. The pandemics put extra external pressure on every one of us, no matter what. No matter who we are, what walk of life, where we sit, or what we do, everyone’s had more externalities and they have ever been faced with. I found to lean on meditation more during the last two years than I ever had in the previous ten years. I still liked it then, but now I really depend on it more. Where does a person start a journey in meditation, if they’re interested, but don’t know where to begin?
Leo: Well, there’s so many different modalities of meditation and one of the things I always encourage others to do is, explore the full gamut of what’s out there. Because one of the reasons why some don’t connect with it right away, is because they might have, let’s say, they discovered meditation through a Buddhist technique. It doesn’t necessarily register with them. Or the Mantra sometimes it’s hard for some people to deal with because there’s mantras where there’s this long string of this consciousness that you’re impregnating in your [inaudible], sometimes it’s just the sound. I would recommend exploring it for one thing. The most basic and the simplest way to access the gifts of meditation, in my opinion, is more in tune with what we would call mindfulness today. Where it’s just being present, staying with the breath, and just literally imagine and follow the breath as you breathe in deeply. Close your eyes and take some time to just be quiet. There’s some simple things that you can do that traditionally a part of almost any kind of meditation technique. And if you could just start with those simple things and then the breath is one of them, it’s something that’s accessible to everyone. We all can tap in and out of control with our breath and if you do that consciously and to slow it down. That alone is half the work. I mean there’s other things you can get into this [inaudible] meditation and things like that do are very cool, and I recommend those two. But it did not for everybody. But as far as the overall stress relief, it’s just about breathing.
John: Something that simple, it’s that simple.
John: Let’s talk about gardening then.
John: So I’m a guy who’s never had a green thumb, but I have always admired my friends that have these beautiful Lush Gardens and look like a reality TV show that what they’re growing in their backyard. How does someone begin and not feel so out of place and clumsy about it, starting their own garden, how does that happen?
Leo: Okay. Well, I will just take you through my journey a little bit.
John: Okay, go ahead.
Leo: I was very similar, I have always, loved plants, especially exotic plants, and seeing all the colors and the smells, you know, and all that. But I would never really had ventured into gardening developing a green thumb. And so the first time what I did was, I went to a local nursery and I just picked out some good-looking starter plants just did a lot of it, just intuitively. I just stuck it in the ground without being watered it.
John: What did you do out first? What were the first things you have grown?
Leo: Well, the first thing I had success with and I take most gardeners would probably agree was tomatoes. It’s so friendly, in terms of like they’re forgiving.
John: They’re forgiving.
Leo: The most forgiving plant, especially outdoors. If you can keep it outdoors, as long as getting sun and it’s not getting bruised or attacked by insects is good to go. I actually talked quite a bit about tomatoes in the book. Just because they are one of the plants because they are so common. That they have been extensively studied about their reactivity to environment and the consciousness it actually is present in them, in the choices they make, so to speak, and but yeah tomatoes. It was more or less your basics, corn, tomatoes, cucumbers, as I said, this was a journey and this is something I kind of developed each season. Got a little deeper into it. Where I was learning… when I was going through my training for our big medicine as a counselor, I wanted to try different herbs. I grew seeds, that’s what I have had success with that right away. And up to this day it is one of my favorite plants just because it’s another one is so forgiving. The smells and you can use it for different medicines around the house and things for yourself. I don’t want to… back[?] I could talk about it forever. [laugh]
Leo: That’s great.
John: No, but I would say those were the first ones that I really had success with was able… see I think it’s important for those of us that don’t necessarily feel that, we have a green thumb in the beginning. I had success with something. You know what I mean?
John: Of course.
Leo: It doesn’t have to, even if it’s not something that’s going to provide you food. I was able to keep this plant alive through a whole season and I did it.
John: It’s open[?] and still there.
John: You use to open[?] and still there.
Leo: Definitely. Once you do that you can branch out. That’s more or less what I did. I was not afraid to try different things.
John: And then right now, like if I went into your backyard with you what’s growing right now Leo, what we thought [inaudible] [crosstalk] like you.
Leo: Unfortunately, one of the downsides as beautiful as it is here, to live in Kentucky. [crosstalk] We’re not far from the season. Normally around, well for us is Derby, around like in the April 1st or May, you know all about Derby.
John: I know the Derby is.
Leo: Yeah, that’s when it’s time to have all your plants in your garden and your props and stuff ready to go. And right now, most people are doing starters, [inaudible] some stuff here. If you’re into that side of it. Right now I don’t have anything. There’s actually a few herbs that are able like my sage that are able to survive with these milder winters we can have it last few years. Unfortunately, I have a bunch of indoor plants right now, that’s been my way of compensating.
John: Leo, you know, how long did it take you to write this great book?
Leo: I would say roughly nine months or so. But you know, interesting thing about that in a part of my journey that when you ask me a little while ago, I skipped right over. Was that at the time of writing that book, I was working constantly. I had a job where I was working 10 to 12 hours a day. They took a lot of dedication to really sit down and so I bring that up, just to say that it’s the kind of thing that because of my love for it. It really poured out of me. And then, I say nine months but it didn’t feel like it.
John: You were speaking from your heart. This is what was on your mind and heart.
John: Talk about what you and your wife do now? Do you have a practice together? What do you do, you coach people on health and wellness or explain what your practice is about? How does it different from each other? And how does it merge together with each other?
Leo: So one of the reasons why our partnership is teachers and writers works is because, while we know a little bit about each other specialties, she’s more involved in when it comes to mindset, dealing with the mental aspects of stress, trauma, helping people work through those issues. And in dealing with things from that angle. Then for me, while it definitely involves some of that, I’m going to approach things more from a dietary standpoint. I do touch on the mental, because meditation such a big part of it, but more so for the building the practice. Not so much to dig into your not the heavy-duty therapy, like she would do. But there’s more so to encourage the practice of meditation. Give you the tools to work those things out. And so that’s kind of how things break down in terms of how we work together. We do classes. Sometimes these one-off events, on a weekend or something like that. We also have our Retreat, our annual Rejuvenation Retreat. We have coming up July 29th.
John: So, talk a little bit about that.
Leo: Yes. I love this event. We started doing this a few years ago and it’s just grown every year. Basically, it’s what we call it, The Rejuvenation Retreat is from July 29th, through July 31st, that whole weekend. And what we do is we teach on different subjects each year. We bring in outside teachers and speakers. One of my favorite parts of it that I love is that we have incorporated the outdoor activities. So you’re not just coming, and if you come to this event, you’re not just getting instruction or sitting down and meditate and all day. You’re also going to kayak, you’re going to hike, we offer massages different kind of self-care therapies that come with each ticket. And that you can add on if you want to if you had that kind of space in your time and in between classes and stuff. We always try to incorporate music and try to make it a holistic well-rounded experience. But I really love it because it’s much like the book. It’s another way expression of marrying nature to spirituality for me. It’s kind of what I get out of it because while I love gardening and I focus on gardening primarily in the book is I said, is really about nature in general. That’s always a good time of year for us to get out there, get to meet some new folks from all over the country. And just come out there, have a good time, and get this centeredness and get this rejuvenated spirit together.
John: How many people come to your retreat?
Leo: We’re normally floating somewhere around 50 to 100, of course, it’s kind of grown. I take pride in that because we’ve operated through covid, so far. I would say definitely had its challenges and we have still been able to get a pretty good turnout. It’s definitely something that we’re growing and we’re going to add more into each year.
John: And where do you host it? Where is the Retreat physically at?
Leo: I see, that’s the other great part about this. It’s held at the Shakers Village in Harrodsburg. I don’t know if you’re familiar with the Harrodsburg area, but the Shakers were one of the early Puritan faiths that came here to this country. When you’re talking about the Quakers and trying to think of some other groups, but you know when I’m going into that. I miss when I think about those more Puritan, very fundamental groups. And this was one that was based here in Kentucky or a large community of them [inaudible]. They built this community and Harrodsburg that is it’s like 3,000 Acres, man, that just gorgeous. Just Rolling Hills, you know, Kentucky?
Leo: So it’s right in the heart of that. You [inaudible] yourself, there’s waterfalls and when my wife and I, visited just as little getaway for ourselves once and we just fell in love with them. We have to do… the idea was kind of already there. We have to do this here. Just as been successful each time because I mean even, just taking away even from the great activities. The people you’re going to meet, the instruction you’re going to get, just being out there for a whole weekend. Away from your whatever you got going on business-wise or home or…
Leo: Oh, yeah, getting away from your routine. We have seen so many couples come out there and enjoy themselves. You can tell that did something for them as a marriage, you think families, even come. I mean, it’s just a really good experience and something that I’m proud of and I look forward to growing.
John: That’s a lot of fun.
Leo: It’s one of those gifts of this kind of work that I get just as much out of it. It’s good to see you, touch people.
John: And people could sign up or learn more about it at drmelissacarver.com. Right that’s your wife’s website, drmelissacarver.com.
Leo: Yes. It’s in the course, we’re always on our socials, promoting it if you follow any of our stuff, so…
John: Where can they find you on social Leo?
Leo: Well, our Instagram, just @leo.carver.
Leo: Also, Leo Carver on Facebook. If you look up Leo Carver and put, Ayurveda meditation, any of this stuff in there, you will find me. [laugh]
John: When people want to sign up to become a student of yours or a patient of yours. Is it done mostly because of covid now over Zoom in all done electronically?
Leo: Yes. Unfortunately, because you do… while we still make the best out of it, you do kind of lose a little something, having to do with this.
John: So, no human touch?
Leo: Yeah, exactly. But yes, we do most of your virtual now.
John: Leo, what’s your vision for the book and your young man still? And what’s your vision for the future? With now that you have this book behind you and it’s wonderful and it’s being well received and it’s really very meaningful. What are you going to do next? What’s your vision for the next couple of years?
Leo: Oh, you know it’s funny because you’re talking to… I teach living in the moment. [laugh]
John: See, I know.
Leo: So, it’s an interesting question I always have to think about but it’s a good one. I definitely want to continue the work I’m doing. Produce more work, more than likely at least a couple more books on this subject. I just continue to work with others to build programs. I would even like to eventually get into possibly some products and different things that can also help like merge, the tech world, and things. There’s so many possibilities because we’re at a time when it’s needed and just a wide open. So I’m just open to exploring more and putting more of this work out there and in meeting others that are on the path as well and working together.
John: And if people want to sign up for your services to be a student or a patient of yours, where is the best place for them to find you?
Leo: Well, as I mention-
John: Instagram and Facebook?
Leo: Yeah, any of those social media accounts will be good or you can also contact me by email, which would be email@example.com. That’s one way to get a hold of me.
John: Perfect. Leo, you’re just a joy and a pleasure.
Leo: Thank you.
John: This book is really special. And I’m going to be recommending it to our listeners into our followers. This is really a great book and I wish you continued success. For viewers and listeners out there, it’s called “Growing Consciousness: The Gardener’s Guide to Seeding the Soul.” You can find it on amazon.com, barnesandnoble.com, and other great book, stores around the United States. He’s Leo Carver, if you want to get a little bit more into your mind and also appreciate this wonderful Earth that we live on and the soil beneath our feet, sign up to be with Leo. Go to his retreat and Melissa’s retreat. drmelissacarver.com. Or just introduce yourself over Instagram or Facebook. Leo Carver, you’re making a difference, you’re making the world a better place. Thank you for joining us today on the impact Podcast.
Leo: Thank you for having me. Thank you. It’s been a pleasure.
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